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In Other Words Podcasts

Everything you ever wanted to know about the art market but didn't know who to ask. Discussions about art and culture with today's makers, curators, collectors and advisors. Hosted by Charlotte Burns, senior editor for Art Agency, Partners.


Art World Outliers with Lynne Cooke

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One of the most talked about exhibitions this year, Outliers and American Vanguard Art, closes next week at the National Gallery of Art in Washington, DC (13 May), after which it will travel to the High Museum in Atlanta and then to LACMA.   

This week's guest is Lynne Cooke, the senior curator of special projects at the NGA who spent five years researching the exhibition. Talking to our host Charlotte Burns, Cooke says much of the art on show was made by people on the peripheries, often in marginalized positions because of their gender, race, class or age. “A great deal was made by African-American artists. Their work is simply not entered into the circuits and orbits of the contemporary art world for lack of opportunity, for lack of education, for lack of money. As I said: class, race.”    

More on Lynne Cooke: Lynne Cooke joined the National Gallery of Art, Washington, in August 2014 as senior curator of special projects in Modern art. Cooke was previously appointed the Andrew W. Mellon Professor at the Gallery’s Center for Advanced Study in the Visual Arts (Casva) from 2012 to 2014.

 

The Future of the Museum

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In Other Words brings you a special episode from Hong Kong, where we staged our first ever live In Other Words event on 29 March on "The Future of The Museum”. Panelists included Michael Govan, the director, Los Angeles County Museum of Art; Doryun Chong, the deputy director and chief curator, M+ in Hong Kong; Allan Schwartzman. Joining remotely was Budi Tek, the founder of the Yuz Museum and Foundation, Shanghai, who broke the news of an unprecedented collaboration between Yuz and Lacma. This opened a discussion about the increasing willingness of museum directors and private patrons to collaborate and share. Panelists spoke about where innovation is taking place geographically; about cultural norms and how they manifest differently region to region; and about new technologies, such as augmented reality, and how they might impact museums and exhibition making. 

More on Michael Govan: Michael Govan joined the Los Angeles County Museum of Art as CEO and Wallis Annenberg Director in 2006. Since his arrival, Govan has transformed not only the museum’s collection but also the way it is experienced by its audience. Currently the museum is in the midst of replacing four aging museum buildings with a single new state of the art gallery building designed by architect Peter Zumthor. 

More on Doryun Chong: Doryun Chong became the rst chief curator of M+, a new museum of visual culture, in September 2013. The museum is expected to open its Herzog and de Meuron-designed building in 2019 in the West Kowloon Cultural District in Hong Kong. In January 2016, Chong was promoted to deputy director and chief curator. He oversees all curatorial activities and programs including acquisitions, exhibitions, learning and public programs, and digital initiatives encompassing the three main disciplinary areas of design and architecture, moving image and visual art.

More on Allan Schwartzman: Allan Schwartzman is a Founder and Principal of AAP. He brings to the company more than 20 years’ experience in advising some of the world’s most influential and sophisticated collectors in forming their holdings of contemporary art, both individually and in conjunction with their stewardship of major museums. Schwartzman is also widely respected as an independent curator, most notably for Instituto Inhotim, the visionary contemporary art park set within a 5,000-acre botanical garden in Brazil. As creative director and chief curator of Inhotim, he has been central to developing the collection of the renowned institution and commissioning its signature site-specific works by artists including Chris Burden, Giuseppe Penone, Matthew Barney, Doris Salcedo, Doug Aitken, Rivane Neuenschwander, Olafur Eliasson and Rirkrit Tiravanija, including projects that could not have been realized anywhere else.

 

What’s on the Menu, with Danielle Luxembourg & Amalia Dayan

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More on Daniella Luxembourg and Amalia Dayan: Daniella Luxembourg and Amalia Dayan co-founded Luxembourg & Dayan gallery in 2009, which operates in New York and London and specializes in post-war art. The gallery has staged monographic shows of artists such as Marcel Duchamp, Domenico Gnoli, Alberto Burri, César, Alberto Giacometti, Richard Prince, Jeff Koons and Alex Da Corte, among others. Major thematic shows include Grisaille (2011), Not So Still Life (2014) and The Ends of Collage (2017).

 

The Art of Criticism with Jerry Saltz

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Jerry Saltz, perhaps the most well-known art writer working today, has been the senior art critic of New York magazine since 2006. During this interview with our host Charlotte Burns, which was recorded in the downtown offices of New York magazine, Saltz talks about a range of topics: from how he approaches viewing and reviewing art, to what he calls the “ass-holeness” of his social media persona. 

More on Jerry Saltz: Jerry Saltz has been New York magazine’s senior art critic and columnist since 2006. Previously, Saltz was the senior art critic for The Village Voice. He has been nominated for the Pulitzer Prize in criticism three times, has been a visiting critic at major universities and has contributed to Art in America, Flash Art International, Frieze and Modern Painters.

 

Dealing Art with Thaddaeus Ropac

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Austrian art dealer Thaddaeus Ropac talks frankly about a range of topics in a conversation with host Charlotte Burns, including the dangers of becoming too corporate; plans for his own collection; and his expectations for the art market in 2018.  Recorded in London, where Galerie Thaddaeus Ropac recently opened a fifth space, Ropac shares his views on topics including the emerging cultural centers of the Middle East and China; the vibrancy of the Paris art scene; the pervasiveness of art fairs; and the importance of maintaining the trust of his artists.

More on Thaddaeus Ropac: The Austrian art dealer Thaddaeus Ropac founded his first gallery in 1983 in Salzburg, showing artists including Joseph Beuys, Andy Warhol, Jean-Michel Basquiat and Keith Haring. Today, there are five branches of Galerie Thaddaeus Ropac located in three cities: Salzburg, Paris and London. The gallery represents around 60 artists and estates. Ropac also runs a publishing house, producing catalogues and books to accompany exhibitions with contributions by prominent international art historians, curators and writers.

 

Norman Rosenthal on Seducing the Audience

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During his 31 years as the exhibitions secretary at London’s Royal Academy, Sir Norman Rosenthal staged groundbreaking exhibitions of art including the legendary show, “A New Spirit in Painting” (1981), which brought artists such as Joseph Beuys, Gerhard Richter and Georg Baselitz to broader recognition. Rosenthal talks host Charlotte Burns through his views on restitution and commerce and tells us where he finds great art today. 

More on Norman Rosenthal: Sir Norman Rosenthal, a London-based freelance curator, was previously the exhibitions secretary at London’s Royal Academy for over 30 years, from 1977 until 2008. There, he organized countless blockbuster shows, from Mantegna and Botticelli, to the Aztecs, to the controversial “Sensation: Young British Artists from the Saatchi Collection” as well as the legendary “A New Spirit in Painting”, which introduced artists such as Georg Baselitz, Anselm Kiefer, Sigmar Polke and Gerhard Richter to an audience beyond Germany. Rosenthal has received a number of awards recognizing his commitment to art and culture, including the Iron Cross Order of Merit in 1991 (Germany), Officier, l’Ordre des Arts et des Lettres (France) in 2003, the German British Forum Award in 2003 and a knighthood in the Queen’s Birthday Honours List in 2007.

 

Infinity and Beyond with Artist Tavares Strachan

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Host Charlotte Burns is joined by artist Tavares Strachan, whose ambitious works are often at the cutting edge of technology. Largely operating beyond the gallery model, instead relying on patrons, partnerships and collaborations to create innovative works of art, Strachan talks about how art can affect the way we think about the world.

More on Tavares Strachan: Tavares Strachan was born in 1979 in Nassau, Bahamas. He received a BFA from the Rhode Island School of Design (RISD), where he studied glass, and an MFA in sculpture from Yale University. He currently lives and works between Nassau and New York City.  His work is ambitious in its scale and scope. Notable projects include The Distance Between What We Have and What We Want (2006), in which he excavated a 4.5 ton block of ice from the Arctic and sent it via FedEx to the Bahamas where it was displayed in a solar-powered freezer in the courtyard of his childhood elementary school. Strachan is interested in themes of exploration and displacement, as well as the idea of pushing the body’s physical extremes. In 2013, Strachan represented the Bahamas at the 55th International Venice Biennale—the first time the country took part. He was recently appointed to the MIT List Visual Arts Center advisory committee as well as the RISD board.

 

Authority and Anxiety with MoMA Director Glenn Lowry

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In this wide-ranging conversation, Glenn Lowry, director of MoMA, talks with host Charlotte Burns as they cover various topics including MoMA’s expansion, the possibilities of closer institutional collaboration, the importance of anxiety—and lots more besides. 

More on Glenn Lowry: Glenn Lowry became the sixth director of The Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) in 1995. He continues the museum’s legacy of enriching public life through exhibitions, educational programs, publications and digital tools that challenge conventional ideas about Modern and Contemporary art and design, and initiatives that bring MoMA’s renowned collection and research to audiences worldwide.  

 

Emerging Art with Whitney Biennial Curator Christopher Y. Lew

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In this episode, Christopher Y. Lew, co-curator the 2017 Whitney Biennial, talks about time spent traveling across America researching the Biennial, his thoughts on emerging art and why he believes face-to-face interactions help curators connect the dots.

More on Christopher Y. Lew: Christopher Y. Lew is the Nancy and Fred Poses Associate Curator at the Whitney Museum of American Art, where he has organized the first US solo exhibitions for Rachel Rose and Jared Madere. He has also organized, with Curator and Curator of Performance Jay Sanders, the first US theatrical presentation by New Theater. His other exhibitions at the Whitney include “Sophia Al-Maria: Black Friday” (2016); “Open Plan: Lucy Dodd” (2016); and the group show “Mirror Cells” (2016), co-organized with associate curator Jane Panetta. Prior to joining the Whitney in 2014, he organized numerous exhibitions at MoMA PS1, including “Clifford Owens: Anthology” (2011); “New Pictures of Common Objects” (2012); “Jack Smith: Normal Love” (2013); “Taster’s Choice” (2014); “GCC: Achievements in Retrospective” (2014), and “James Ferraro: 100%” (2014).   

 

Art and Desire with Walter Robinson

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Artist Walter Robinson immortalizes appetites and desires in his work, painting beer, blue jeans and burgers, magazine models and pulpy paperback romances. Known as the founding editor of Artnet magazine, where he worked from 1996 until 2012, Robinson has been a habitual chronicler of the New York art world. Over the past few years he has returned to painting and, in this episode, host Charlotte Burns talks to him about his many lives.

More on Walter Robinson: The New York City-based artist Walter Robinson first emerged in the 1970s when he began painting pulp romance imagery. He exhibited with the legendary Colab collective; he was associated with the Pictures Generation; he showed in the fabled Times Square exhibition of 1980. His work was sold by Metro Pictures and he was part of the then burgeoning East Village scene. He copied pulpy images to paint nurses before Richard Prince did; he made spin paintings before Damien Hirst. 

 

Talking Art with Germano Celant and Allan Schwartzman

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From “Poor Art” to politics in art, in this wide-ranging conversation the curator and art historian Germano Celant and Allan Schwartzman address topics including the ways in which the American art market has defined art history; how to work with artists to realize wildly ambitious projects; the difficulties in determining whether works are authentic; corruption in art; and rewriting the history of art.

More on Germano Celant: The art historian and theoretician Germano Celant coined the term Arte Povera in 1967 and has promoted the movement and its artists ever since. Celant has organized hundreds of exhibitions in prominent international museums and institutions. He was the senior curator of contemporary art at the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum in New York between 1989 and 2008. He has worked with the Fondazione Prada since 1995, and is currently its artistic and scientific superintendent. Since 2005 he has been the curator of the Fondazione Aldo Rossi, Milan and since 2008 of the Fondazione Emilio e Annabianca Vedova, Venice. He was the artistic co-director of the first Biennale di Arte & Moda in Florence in 1996, and, in 1997, the director of the 47th Biennale di Venezia. He organized the Brazilian Pavillon at the 49th Biennale di Venezia in 2001. In 1987, Celant received The Frank Jewett Mather Award, honoring exceptional art criticism; in 2004, an honorary degree in Architecture from Università degli Studi in Genoa; and, in 2013, The Agnes Gund Curatorial Award from Independent Curators International, New York. He has authored more than 100 publications and was also a contributing editor to Artforum for 40 years and to Interview Magazine for almost three decades. He is also the art columnist for the Italian weekly magazine L’Espresso and the Italian design magazine Interni.

More on Allan Schwartzman: Allan Schwartzman is a Founder and Principal of AAP. He brings to the company more than 20 years’ experience in advising some of the world’s most influential and sophisticated collectors in forming their holdings of contemporary art, both individually and in conjunction with their stewardship of major museums. Schwartzman is also widely respected as an independent curator, most notably for Instituto Inhotim, the visionary contemporary art park set within a 5,000-acre botanical garden in Brazil. As creative director and chief curator of Inhotim, he has been central to developing the collection of the renowned institution and commissioning its signature site-specific works by artists including Chris Burden, Giuseppe Penone, Matthew Barney, Doris Salcedo, Doug Aitken, Rivane Neuenschwander, Olafur Eliasson and Rirkrit Tiravanija, including projects that could not have been realized anywhere else.

 

The Suit and the Sweater

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The art industry is changing rapidly and, in this episode, Tad Smith, President and CEO of Sotheby’s, and Allan Schwartzman discuss how they respond to the challenges and opportunities that this presents. 

More on Tad Smith: Tad Smith was appointed president and CEO of Sotheby’s in March 2015. Prior to joining Sotheby’s, he served as president and CEO of The Madison Square Garden Company. Previously, Smith was president of local media at Cablevision Systems Corporation and prior to that, CEO of Reed Business Information (RBI), the US business-to-business division of Reed Elsevier Group PLC. 

More on Allan Schwartzman: Allan Schwartzman is a Founder and Principal of AAP. He brings to the company more than 20 years’ experience in advising some of the world’s most influential and sophisticated collectors in forming their holdings of contemporary art, both individually and in conjunction with their stewardship of major museums. Schwartzman is also widely respected as an independent curator, most notably for Instituto Inhotim, the visionary contemporary art park set within a 5,000-acre botanical garden in Brazil. As creative director and chief curator of Inhotim, he has been central to developing the collection of the renowned institution and commissioning its signature site-specific works by artists including Chris Burden, Giuseppe Penone, Matthew Barney, Doris Salcedo, Doug Aitken, Rivane Neuenschwander, Olafur Eliasson and Rirkrit Tiravanija, including projects that could not have been realized anywhere else.

 

Gilbert & George

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Artists Gilbert & George sat with host Charlotte Burns for lively discussion about their work, their habits and their artistic philosophies.

More on Gilbert & George: Gilbert Prousch and George Passmore met in 1967 at St. Martin’s School of Art, London and formed a fast alliance based on their “Art for All” philosophy. The artists, who place themselves at the center of their work, use life as their main subject through addressing themes such as class, race, religion, and sex. They have lived and worked in their studio in London’s East End since 1968.  

 

Contemporary African Art

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Joining host Charlotte Burns in London to discuss contemporary African art are Zoe Whitley, curator and writer Osei Bonsu, and Hannah O’Leary, head of Modern and Contemporary African art at Sotheby’s, in a broad-ranging conversation covering the diversity of contemporary African art as well as the growth in its market.

More on Zoey Whitely: Zoe Whitley works as part of the team of curators and assistant curators responsible for the development of and research into Tate’s collection of artworks post-1980. She oversees the development of the artists’ film program at Tate Britain. Since 2014, her role also has included work at Tate Modern, where she co-wrote Tate’s revised Africa acquisitions strategy and researches contemporary artists and art practices from the African continent and the African diaspora.

More on Osei Bonsu: Osei Bonsu is a British-Ghanaian curator and writer based in London. His activities encompass exhibition programing, publishing and cultural strategy in the field of visual arts. He has developed projects focused on transnational histories of art, collaborating with museums, galleries and private collections in Europe, Asia and Africa. Through his research, Bonsu focuses on questions of progress and the conception of modernity against the backdrop of social, cultural, and economical transformation in the 20th and 21st centuries. His writing has been included in a number of exhibition catalogues and been featured in publications such as ArtReview, NKA Journal and New African Magazine.  

More on Hannah O'Leary: Hannah O’Leary is the head of Modern and contemporary African art at Sotheby’s. Having started her career at Sotheby’s in Ireland and Australia, she joined Bonhams in 2006 where she helped pioneer the first international auctions of South African art and Modern and contemporary African art, becoming Head of Department in 2010. With over 10 years’ experience in this field, she returned to Sotheby’s in early 2016, whose first auction in this category took place in London on 16 May 2017.

 

Lust for Life – Collecting Art with Herbert Lust

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A literature professor and Fulbright scholar turned investment banker, 90-year old Herbert Lust talks to host Charlotte Burns about his extraordinary life, discussing his friendships with artists and passing along some advice for collectors.

More on Herbert Lust: Herbert Lust began his career as an avant-garde writer and comparative literature professor at the University of Chicago. Lust’s devotion to literature led him to begin collecting while still a student. At age 19, he made his first acquisition: a wood-cut by the 19th-century Mexican artist José Guadalupe Posada, which he acquired for $1. In 1948 at just 21 years old, he received an M.A. in philosophy and mathematics from the University of Chicago. In 1949, Lust received the first Fulbright scholarship granted by the University of Chicago and studied for two years at the Sorbonne in Paris where he met Alberto Giacometti, who became a friend—and whose work he bought directly from the artist. Lust would go on to write the catalogue raisonné for Giacommetti’s works on paper, Alberto Giacometti: The Complete Graphics. Lust switched careers in 1957, becoming an investment banker. He wrote A Dozen Principles for Art Investment in 1969, which was one of the first publications to take an economist’s approach to the art market. He has gone on to write extensively about the artists that he has known and collected, publishing books and essays on art historical figures such as Hans Bellmer and Enrico Baj, among others. 

 

New World Disorder with Tate's Gregor Muir

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Grappling with issues of how to think internationally during a period of increasing nationalism, Gregor Muir, Tate’s Director of Collection, International Art, talks about how – and where – he is looking to discover great art. 

More on Gregor Muir: Gregor Muir is the director of collection, International Art at Tate Modern. From 2011 to October 2016, Muir was executive director of the ICA, London, where he oversaw an exhibition program featuring artists such as Tauba Auerbach, Judy Blame, Zhang Enli, Richard Hamilton, Bruce Nauman, Juergen Teller and Betty Woodman. He also coordinated ICA Off-Site exhibitions in Birmingham, London and Hong Kong. Muir has frequently chaired panel discussion and talks with artists, including Lynda Benglis, Tracey Emin and Gilbert & George, as well as working on Frieze Talks in London.  

 

Art Can Change the World, with Hans Ulrich Obrist

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Host Charlotte Burns is joined by Hans Ulrich Obrist in one of three feature episodes of the podcast from London. The artistic director of the Serpentine Galleries, Obrist is a critic, author and famed interviewer who has documented more than 300 conversations with artists, architects, scientists and philosophers. 

More on Hans Ulrich Obrist: Hans Ulrich Obrist (b. 1968, Zurich, Switzerland) is the artistic director of the Serpentine Galleries, London. Prior to this, he was the curator of the Musée d’Art Moderne de la Ville de Paris. Since his first show “World Soup” (The Kitchen Show) in 1991, he has curated more than 300 shows. Obrist’s recent publications include Conversations in Colombia, Ways of Curating, The Age of Earthquakes with Douglas Coupland and Shumon Basar, and Lives of The Artists, Lives of The Architects.

 

Reshaping Museums with Michael Govan

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Michael Govan, the director and CEO of the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, joins host Charlotte Burns for a special feature podcast from California to talk about the future for Lacma, fundraising and philanthropy in LA, the role of museums in brokering cultural identities and the importance of "embracing the power of different" to VR technology in art.

More on Michael Govan: Michael Govan joined the Los Angeles County Museum of Art as CEO and Wallis Annenberg Director in 2006. Since his arrival, Govan has transformed not only the museum’s collection but also the way it is experienced by its audience. Currently the museum is in the midst replacing four aging museum buildings with a single new state of the art gallery building designed by architect Peter Zumthor. Govan has facilitated new creative interactions between contemporary artists and architects and the museum’s historic collections, commissioning exhibition and gallery designs in collaboration with artists John Baldessari, Jorge Pardo and Franz West, and architects Frank O. Gehry, Fred Fisher, Michael Maltzan, Amy Murphy, Kulapat Yantrasast, and others. Under Govan’s leadership, Lacma has begun a program to place its collections and exhibitions in underserved communities in Los Angeles County, the first adjacent to MacArthur Park in collaboration with Charles White Elementary School. Today, Lacma operates the largest in-school art education program of any art museum in the US.

 

Changing Lanes, with Jeffrey Deitch and Lisa Dennison

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Which is easier to navigate: the market or museums? "In Other Words" welcomes Jeffrey Deitch and Lisa Dennison to discuss. 

More on Jeffrey Deitch: Jeffrey Deitch has been involved with modern and contemporary art for more than forty years as an artist, writer, curator, dealer, and advisor. A 1974 graduate of Wesleyan University, Deitch went on to receive an M.B.A. from Harvard Business School in 1978. Before opening his own art advisory firm in 1988, Mr. Deitch was a Vice President of Citibank where he developed and managed the bank’s art advisory and art finance businesses. In the 1970s, Deitch served as Assistant Director of the John Weber Gallery in New York and as Curator of the De Cordova Museum in Lincoln, Massachusetts. Best known for his vanguard commercial gallery, Deitch Projects, Deitch produced more than two hundred and fifty projects by contemporary artists during the gallery’s existence from 1996 through 2010. There, he championed artists such as Tauba Auerbach, Vanessa Beecroft, Barry McGee, Yoko Ono, and Kehinde Wiley. In 2014, Rizzoli published Live the Art, a major monograph detailing the history of Deitch Projects.  

More on Lisa Dennison: After a distinguished 29 year career at the Guggenheim, where she served as director from 2005, Lisa Dennison joined Sotheby’s in September 2007, focusing on international business development—a role that draws on her considerable strengths as an internationally recognized figure in the fields of Modern and Contemporary Art. During her tenure as director and chief curator of the Guggenheim, she strengthened the visibility and reputation of the museum while helping it realize its institutional goals as a flagship of its premier global network. She was “one of the Guggenheim’s greatest assets,” noted Thomas Krens, who preceded her as the Foundation’s director. In addition to being responsible for the permanent collection, Dennison organized over 35 shows for the Guggenheim museums worldwide, including retrospectives, site-specific installations and commissions by artists including Ross Bleckner, Daniel Buren, Francesco Clemente, Dan Flavin, Jeff Koons, James Rosenquist, Lawrence Weiner and Rachel Whiteread.

 

The Art Media

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Joining host Charlotte Burns for a discussion on the state of the art media are Jori Finkel, regular contributor to the New York Times and the West Coast correspondent for The Art Newspaper; Judd Tully, award-winning journalist and Editor-At-Large at Blouin Art + Auction magazine; and Amy Cappellazzo, co-founder of Art Agency, Partners and Chairman at Sotheby’s Global Fine Arts division. 

More on Jori Finkel: Jori Finkel is a journalist who moved to Los Angeles from New York 12 years ago to cover the growing art scene there. She is currently the West Coast correspondent for The Art Newspaper and a regular contributor to the New York Times arts pages. Her previous positions include staff art reporter for the Los Angeles Times and senior editor of Art+Auction magazine in New York. Jori’s writing has also appeared in W magazine, Art in America, ARTnews, Flash Art and Town & Country to name a few. She earned her B.A. in English from Columbia University and her M.A. in English and Comparative Literature from Stanford University, where she studied the Dada and Surrealism. She has taught at Stanford and the Otis College of Art and Design and lectures regularly on the art market, feminist art and other topics within contemporary art.  

More on Judd Tully: Judd Tully is an award-winning journalist and widely published art world writer and art critic, appearing in publications ranging from Cigar Aficionado and Flash Art magazine to the San Francisco Chronicle and the Washington Post. Currently, Tully is the Editor-At-Large of Art + Auction magazine and its sister website platform, Blouin Art Info where his articles and art market analysis on the international auction and art fair market regularly appear.  

More on Amy Cappellazzo: Amy Cappellazzo is a Founder and Principal of AAP. She previously served as a market leader in the field of contemporary art during a tenure of almost thirteen years at Christie’s, where she rose to the post of Chairman of Post-War & Contemporary Development.  

 

The Road Less Travelled with Joel Mesler

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Artist and art dealer Joel Mesler joins host Charlotte Burns to discuss why he recently left Manhattan’s Lower East Side to open an art gallery in East Hampton, Rental Gallery. 

More on Joel Mesler: Joel Mesler was born in Los Angeles in 1974. He graduated from Windward High School in 1992 and received a Masters of Fine Arts from San Francisco Art Institute in 1999. The following year, Mesler opened his first gallery, Dianne Pruess and Pruess Press in Chinatown, Los Angeles. In 2005, he closed Pruess and opened Rental Gallery. The artist, now dealer, continued to paint throughout the early 2000s and had a solo exhibition at The Black Dragon Society of Painting titled “Survival Meets Ideal Hands” in 2006. In 2007, Mesler moved to New York City for a girl. He reopened Rental in Chinatown, New York shortly thereafter and was subsequently told by his peers to “put down the paint brushes” which he promptly did. In 2010, he closed Rental Gallery and opened Untitled on the Lower East Side of Manhattan with Carol Cohen. Five years later he closed Untitled and opened Feuer/Mesler. In 2017, Feuer/Mesler closed and Joel migrated to Sag Harbor, opening the third iteration of Rental in East Hampton, NY. 

 

Being Radical with Robert Storr

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The artist, critic, curator and former Dean of the Yale School of Art, Robert Storr joins Amy Cappellazzo, AAP co-founder and Sotheby’s Chairman of Global Fine Arts, and host Charlotte Burns to discuss what it means to be radical in today’s art world, weighing the critical and commercial distinctions between globalism, internationalism and cosmopolitanism.

More on Robert Storr: Robert Storr is an artist, critic and curator. From 1990 to 2002, Storr was the curator and then senior curator at MoMA’s Department of Painting and Sculpture. Storr was the first American appointed director of the Venice Biennale and organized the 2007 exhibition “Think with the Senses – Feel with the Mind: Art in the Present Tense”.

More on Amy Cappellazzo: Amy Cappellazzo is a Founder and Principal of AAP. She previously served as a market leader in the field of contemporary art during a tenure of almost thirteen years at Christie’s, where she rose to the post of Chairman of Post-War & Contemporary Development.  

 

Building Legacy, with Charles C. Bergman of the Pollock-Krasner Foundation

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Charles C. Bergman, the chairman and CEO of the Pollock-Krasner Foundation, Christy MacLear, the former director of the Robert Rauschenberg Foundation and now vice chairman of AAP, together with host Charlotte Burns, discuss the nature of philanthropy and how the artist-endowed foundation industry has changed.  

More on Charles C. Bergman: Charles C. Bergman is Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of the Pollock-Krasner Foundation. Established in April 1985 under the will of Lee Krasner, widow of Jackson Pollock, the Pollock-Krasner Foundation is the largest private foundation created to exclusively help worthy and needy visual artists around the world. Bergman is a Senior Advisor to the Aspen Institute’s National Study of Artist Endowed Foundations project. He is also a member of the Executive Board for the Children’s Radio Foundation. Formerly a member of the Board of Overseers’ Committee to Visit the Harvard University Art Museums, Bergman is currently a member of their Director’s Advisory Council. Bergman also serves on the Education and Programming Committee of the Rubin Museum of Art in New York City, having formerly been a trustee. 

 

Hypercapitalization, with Gavin Brown and Allan Schwartzman

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Gavin Brown, who founded his eponymous gallery Gavin Brown’s enterprise in 1994, together with Allan Schwartzman, the co-founder of AAP and chairman of Sotheby’s Fine Arts Division, and host Charlotte Burns, discuss how we define value in art, the effect of the market on traditional gallery models, and the importance of art in turbulent times.

More on Gavin Brown: Gavin Brown founded his eponymous gallery, Gavin Brown’s enterprise, in Manhattan’s west Soho in 1994, before moving to Greenwich Street in 2003. Brown ran the artists’ bar Passerby (which had a floor designed by Piotr Uklański) on west 15th Street from 1997 until 2008. In 2016, the gallery relocated to Harlem, opening with an “enigmatic” exhibition of works by Ed Atkins, while the second exhibition, “Love is the Message, the Message is Death” (2016-2017) by Arthur Jafa was hailed as a “crucial ode to Black America” and “required viewing”. In 2013, together with the artist Laura Owens, Brown co-founded the Los Angeles artist-run gallery space 356 Mission. He opened a gallery in Rome in the 8th-century church Sant’Andrea de Scaphis in 2015. 

More on Allan Schwartzman: Allan Schwartzman is a Founder and Principal of AAP. He brings to the company more than 20 years’ experience in advising some of the world’s most influential and sophisticated collectors in forming their holdings of contemporary art, both individually and in conjunction with their stewardship of major museums. Schwartzman is also widely respected as an independent curator, most notably for Instituto Inhotim, the visionary contemporary art park set within a 5,000-acre botanical garden in Brazil. As creative director and chief curator of Inhotim, he has been central to developing the collection of the renowned institution and commissioning its signature site-specific works by artists including Chris Burden, Giuseppe Penone, Matthew Barney, Doris Salcedo, Doug Aitken, Rivane Neuenschwander, Olafur Eliasson and Rirkrit Tiravanija, including projects that could not have been realized anywhere else.

 

Inequalities in the Art World, with Ian Alteveer and Naima Keith

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Host Charlotte Burns is joined by Ian Alteveer, an associate curator at the Metropolitan Museum of Art; Allan Schwartzman, the co-founder of AAP and chairman, Sotheby’s Fine Arts Division; and Naima Keith, the deputy director of exhibits and programs at the California African American Museum, who joins on the phone from Los Angeles to discuss inequalities in the art world.

More on Ian Alteveer: Ian Alteveer is an associate curator in the Metropolitan Museum of Art’s department of Modern and Contemporary Art. He organized “Marisa Merz: The Sky Is a Great Space”, the current exhibition at the Met Breuer (until 7 May) as well as the recent smash-hit retrospective “Kerry James Marshall: Mastry”, which is now on show at LA Moca (until 3 July). He was in charge of the 2015 Roof Garden Commission by Pierre Huyghe and was part of the curatorial team for “Regarding Warhol: Sixty Artists, Fifty Years” in 2012.

More on Naima Keith: Naima Keith has been the deputy director of exhibitions and programs at the California African American Museum (Caam) since February 2016. She is being awarded with the High Museum of Art David C. Driskell prize in African American art and art history later this month.

More on Allan Schwartzman: Allan Schwartzman is a Founder and Principal of AAP. He brings to the company more than 20 years’ experience in advising some of the world’s most influential and sophisticated collectors in forming their holdings of contemporary art, both individually and in conjunction with their stewardship of major museums. Schwartzman is also widely respected as an independent curator, most notably for Instituto Inhotim, the visionary contemporary art park set within a 5,000-acre botanical garden in Brazil. As creative director and chief curator of Inhotim, he has been central to developing the collection of the renowned institution and commissioning its signature site-specific works by artists including Chris Burden, Giuseppe Penone, Matthew Barney, Doris Salcedo, Doug Aitken, Rivane Neuenschwander, Olafur Eliasson and Rirkrit Tiravanija, including projects that could not have been realized anywhere else.

 

Globalization and Its Discontents with Thomas Krens

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Thomas Krens, the former director of the Solomon R. Guggenheim Foundation, and Eric Shiner, senior vice president of Contemporary art at Sotheby’s and former director of The Andy Warhol Museum join host Charlotte Burns to discuss globalization and its discontents.

More on Thomas Krens: During his two decades at the Guggenheim, Thomas Krens drove a period of significant expansion: completing the renovation of the Frank Lloyd Wright building and the Gwathmey Siegel expansion in New York; more than doubling the size of the Peggy Guggenheim Collection in Venice; designing with Frank Gehry and opening the Guggenheim Museum Bilbao; creating additional branches in Berlin (the Deutsche Guggenheim) and Las Vegas (the Guggenheim Hermitage Museum in Las Vegas and the Guggenheim Las Vegas). He was the mastermind behind other satellite projects that have yet to be realized, such as the Guggenheim Abu Dhabi. During his tenure as Chief Artistic Officer at the Guggenheim, he organized and produced close to 300 exhibitions at the Guggenheim Museums worldwide, including major retrospectives of artists such as Robert Rauschenberg, Roy Lichtenstein, Claes Oldenburg, Robert Morris, Jenny Holzer, and James Rosenquist among others; large historical surveys such as “Africa: The Art of a Continent,” “China: 5,000 Years,” and “Brazil: Body & Soul;” design exhibitions such “The Art of the Motorcycle” and “Giorgio Armani;” and architectural retrospectives of Frank Gehry, Zaha Hadid, and Frank Lloyd Wright. Since leaving the Guggenheim, Krens has been working on museum projects in China. In 2013-2014 he was a Distinguished Visiting Professor of Art History at Williams College and is currently teaching at the School of Organization and Management at Yale University.

 

Uncovering the Great Art of the 2000s with David Salle and Alison Gingeras

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Host Charlotte Burns, senior editor at AAP, welcomes artist David Salle, curator Alison Gingeras and Allan Schwartzman, co-founder of AAP and chairman of the Fine Arts Division at Sotheby’s, as they discuss why it’s so difficult to pinpoint the great artists of the 2000s. 

More on David Salle: Works by the artist David Salle are in the permanent collections of museums including MoMA, the Whitney, the Guggenheim, the Met, Tate Modern and the Nationalgalerie Berlin. Known as a key figure in the Pictures Generation, a group of artists whose photo-derived work explored how images shape our perceptions of self and of truth, Salle is also a respected writer whose recent book How To See has been widely-praised. Salle, who lives and works in New York, has previously contributed to In Other Words.

More on Alison Gingeras: Alison Gingeras is a curator and writer based in New York and Warsaw. She has organised exhibitions at institutions such as the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum, New York; the Centre Georges Pompidou, Paris; and Palazzo Grassi, Venice. In 2012, Alison additionally opened Oko, a small East Village storefront space, in collaboration with Luxembourg & Dayan gallery. Notable museum exhibitions include: Dear Painter, Paint Me: Painting the Figure Since Late Picabia (2003), Daniel Buren Le Musee qui n’existait pas (2002) and Pop Life (2010). In late 2016, she was one of the founders of the political collective HALT Action Group which began the anti-Trump “Dear Ivanka” campaign.  Her writes for publications such as Artforum, Spike and Mousse. Over the past two decades, she has authored scores of essays for artist monographs, critical theory compendiums and exhibition catalogues.  

More on Allan Schwartzman: Allan Schwartzman is a Founder and Principal of AAP. He brings to the company more than 20 years’ experience in advising some of the world’s most influential and sophisticated collectors in forming their holdings of contemporary art, both individually and in conjunction with their stewardship of major museums. Schwartzman is also widely respected as an independent curator, most notably for Instituto Inhotim, the visionary contemporary art park set within a 5,000-acre botanical garden in Brazil. As creative director and chief curator of Inhotim, he has been central to developing the collection of the renowned institution and commissioning its signature site-specific works by artists including Chris Burden, Giuseppe Penone, Matthew Barney, Doris Salcedo, Doug Aitken, Rivane Neuenschwander, Olafur Eliasson and Rirkrit Tiravanija, including projects that could not have been realized anywhere else.

 

Part Two, Uncovering the Great Art of the 2000s with David Salle and Alison Gingeras

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Host Charlotte Burns, senior editor at AAP, welcomes artist David Salle, curator Alison Gingeras and Allan Schwartzman, co-founder of AAP and chairman of the Fine Arts Division at Sotheby’s, as they discuss why it’s so difficult to pinpoint the great artists of the 2000s. The final episode of a two-part discussion.

More on David Salle: Works by the artist David Salle are in the permanent collections of museums including MoMA, the Whitney, the Guggenheim, the Met, Tate Modern and the Nationalgalerie Berlin. Known as a key figure in the Pictures Generation, a group of artists whose photo-derived work explored how images shape our perceptions of self and of truth, Salle is also a respected writer whose recent book How To See has been widely-praised. Salle, who lives and works in New York, has previously contributed to In Other Words.

More on Alison Gingeras: Alison Gingeras is a curator and writer based in New York and Warsaw. She has organised exhibitions at institutions such as the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum, New York; the Centre Georges Pompidou, Paris; and Palazzo Grassi, Venice. In 2012, Alison additionally opened Oko, a small East Village storefront space, in collaboration with Luxembourg & Dayan gallery. Notable museum exhibitions include: Dear Painter, Paint Me: Painting the Figure Since Late Picabia (2003), Daniel Buren Le Musee qui n’existait pas (2002) and Pop Life (2010). In late 2016, she was one of the founders of the political collective HALT Action Group which began the anti-Trump “Dear Ivanka” campaign.  Her writes for publications such as Artforum, Spike and Mousse. Over the past two decades, she has authored scores of essays for artist monographs, critical theory compendiums and exhibition catalogues.  

More on Allan Schwartzman: Allan Schwartzman is a Founder and Principal of AAP. He brings to the company more than 20 years’ experience in advising some of the world’s most influential and sophisticated collectors in forming their holdings of contemporary art, both individually and in conjunction with their stewardship of major museums. Schwartzman is also widely respected as an independent curator, most notably for Instituto Inhotim, the visionary contemporary art park set within a 5,000-acre botanical garden in Brazil. As creative director and chief curator of Inhotim, he has been central to developing the collection of the renowned institution and commissioning its signature site-specific works by artists including Chris Burden, Giuseppe Penone, Matthew Barney, Doris Salcedo, Doug Aitken, Rivane Neuenschwander, Olafur Eliasson and Rirkrit Tiravanija, including projects that could not have been realized anywhere else.

 

Art and Brands with Artist Tom Sachs

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In this debut episode of “In Other Words,” host Charlotte Burns, senior editor at AAP, welcomes artist Tom Sachs and Amy Cappellazzo, co-founder of AAP and co-chair at Sotheby’s, as they examine the relationship between art and brands—both in Tom’s work and in culture at large.

More on Tom Sachs: Artist Tom Sachs studied at the Architectural Association in London in 1987, and received his BA from Bennington College in Vermont in 1989. His work is in museum collections internationally including the Museum of Modern Art, New York, the Centre Pompidou, Paris and the Nasa permanent collection, Washington DC. An exhibition of his work, “Radiant City: Paintings 2000-2017” is currently on show at the Herron School of Art and Design while A Space Program, his handmade journey to Mars, is viewable on iTunes. His video Ten Bullets is his guide to studio practice and the artist documents his work on Instagram and Twitter.   

More on Amy Cappellazzo: Amy Cappellazzo is a Founder and Principal of AAP. She previously served as a market leader in the field of contemporary art during a tenure of almost thirteen years at Christie’s, where she rose to the post of Chairman of Post-War & Contemporary Development.  

 

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